Jackson Mac Low in 1984

On stability, choice, connection, political poetry, & other topics

Al Filreis

Jackson Mac Low, "Drawing-Asymmetry #10" (1961), from the collection at MoMA

Jackson Mac Low speaks during a long question-and-answer session at New Langton Arts in San Francisco, c. 1984. This recording came to PennSound’s archive in two parts, and — thanks to the efforts of Hannah Judd — we now make them available in segments roughly topical.

Part 1 (47:38): MP3

On philosophy of humanism (2:40): MP3
On human value (8:43): MP3
On identification (9:15): MP3
On self-perception (6:40): MP3
On control (3:04): MP3
On language (2:52): MP3
On metonymy and metaphor (3:36): MP3
On discussion (2:53): MP3
On context (1:39): MP3
On correctness (5:59): MP3

Part 2 (45:26): MP3

On experimentalism (1:42): MP3
On writing well (1:08): MP3
On stability (4:07): MP3
On politics (4:50): MP3
On choice (8:08): MP3
On political poetry (5:40): MP3
On connection (6:23): MP3
On consciousness (5:13): MP3
On America (5:13): MP3
On roundtable (1:29): MP3

June 1, 2015

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